QQRe: Jazz on diatonic, was Re: Dying artform

["TD" <sixtiesjazz@xxxxxxxxx>]

While Dolphy's "Out To Lunch" - one of my very favorite albums - is
certainly Avante Garde, it is not really Free Jazz. In fact the songs are
actually very tightly composed. Dolphy himself stated that what he did
improvisationally was never without reference to the chord structure. He
definitely pushed those chords  farther than most. Dolphy was, however on
the seminal recording of that style: Ornette Coleman's "Free Jazz". Here's a
nice piece of free jazz trivia: Q: What player plays on both "Free Jazz" and
Coltrane's later free masterpiece "Ascension". A: Trumpeter Freddie Hubbard
(he's also on "Out To Lunch" by the way).

I've never heard a harmonica doing Free or Avante Garde (or New Thing) but
there is no reason why it couldn't be used. Most players playing these
styles today are fringe or European (grin). All who I have  heard have a
virtuoso command of their instrument. I could definitely see a guy like
Henry Threadgill using a Harmonica on one of his compositions someday as he
seems to use just about every other instrument known to man. In fact on an
album he did with his band "Air" in the 70's he used a Chinese Mussette on a
composition called "Air Raid" to make the sound of an air raid siren.
/tim
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Walenta" <jeffwalenta@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: Jazz on diatonic, was Re: Dying artform


>
> i got this from the all music guide www.allmusic.com
>
>
> Free Jazz
> genre: Jazz
> Dixieland and swing stylists improvise melodically,
> and bop, cool, and hard bop players follow chord
> structures in their solos. Free Jazz was a radical
> departure from past styles, for typically after
> playing a quick theme, the soloist does not have to
> follow any progression or structure and can go in any
> unpredictable direction. When Ornette Coleman largely
> introduced free jazz to New York audiences (although
> Cecil Taylor had preceded him with less publicity),
> many bop musicians and fans debated about whether what
> was being played would even qualify as music; the
> radicals had become conservatives in less than 15
> years. Free jazz, which overlaps with the avant garde
> (the latter can use arrangements and sometimes fairly
> tight frameworks), remains a controversial and mostly
> underground style, influencing the modern mainstream
> while often being ignored. Having dispensed with many
> of the rules as far as pitch, rhythm, and development
> are concerned (although it need not be atonal or lack
> a steady pulse to be free jazz), the success of a free
> jazz performance can be measured by the musicianship
> and imagination of the performers, how colorful the
> music is, and whether it seems logical or merely
> random. - Scott Yanow
>
> check out Eric dolphy- Out to lunch
>
> for the best exsample of what free jazz/free
> improvisation is
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- the Leones <leone@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >Listen
> > >>  > > i haven't heard much done live beyond blues
> > ...i
> > >>>  would
> > >>>  > love to see what could be done with the
> > harmonica
> > >>>  in
> > >>>  > avant garde/ free jazz
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> >
> >
> >      Someone please "define" avant garde &/or free
> > Jazz............smo-joe
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