[Harp-L] RE: Harp-L Digest, Vol 20, Issue 48
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- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:07:36 -0400
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Here is an on line metronome, I think there are lots of them available
-Metronome Online - Free!
Virtual Metronome available online at any time - for FREE. Ideal for
students
taking music lessons!
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Today's Topics:
1. tuning limits (Paul Bowering)
2. Re: Trouble With Timing (Mojo Red)
3. Re: (Cheesy) Cover Songs (Sylvia & Fred)
4. Re: Fw: [Harp-L] Gig Attire (Blake Taylor)
5. Re: Trouble with Timing (Richard Hunter)
6. Band Attire and Cheese (Rooty Baegga)
7. Hohner 364 question (Jp Pagan)
8. Re: Trouble With Timing (Dave Murray)
9. Summing Up the Advice (Rooty Baegga)
10. Another Gear Orbit..which 4x10? (ChipComcast)
11. Re: Internet Blues Radio Show (Joe and Cass Leone)
12. Re: Re: (Cheesy) Cover Songs (Joe and Cass Leone)
13. Re: Gig Attire (Joe and Cass Leone)
14. Subject: [Harp-L] Purple Haze (randysinger)
15. Country & Bluegrass Harmonica Seminar at SPAH 2005
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:13:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Bowering <paul_bowering@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] tuning limits
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I'm experimenting with some altered tunings and I'm wondering how many
semi-tones a reed can reasonably be retuned before you risk failure? Can
lower picthed reeds withstand greater deviations from its original pitch
than higher reeds? Does it matter if tuning up or down, etc.
Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mojo Red <harplicks@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Trouble With Timing
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--- camposs@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Anybody have any good excercises to help
> me get better timing?
>
> -Stiv Whiskywine
Hi Stiv,
You've already had some great suggestions here. I
only would add one other practice idea for you.
For some of my harp students gaining a good sense
of timing/rhythm is the toughest thing. I believe
that timing is something that has to be integrated
into your entire body for it to become 2nd nature.
IMO, it shouldn't be over-intellecutalized or your
timing acatually becomes ~more~ wooden, stilted and
un-natural.
One thing I try to get students to do is to
practice harp while walking. Get yourself walking
at a good steady pace (not too fast) and play harp
using your own gait as your metronome. You can play
on the "beat" of your footsteps, or off the beat,
ahead of the beat, just behind the beat, etc. Work
it!
If you can get your harp playing "in tune" with
your body's natural rhythms (walking) then you will
start to get a sense of fitting it with music more
naturally. Your harp rhythms becomes more a part of
who you already are.
I may be full of hooey, but it seems to work, and
that's exactly how I taught myself about playing
rhythmically and in time...
Walking By Myself (with a nod to Mr. Butterfield).
Harpin' in Colorado,
--Ken M.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:33:25 -0500
From: Sylvia & Fred <fsstov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: (Cheesy) Cover Songs
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Chris wrote
"What are the "cheesiest" or not so cheesy cover songs you guys play?"
=====================================================
I must say I've been a little disappointed in this thread, expecting
some real mozzarella from the list. Chris's original list was fairly
cheesy - Ghost Riders and Tears for a Clown get a couple of pimentoes
from me. The cheese factor ratcheted up a bit with his later list of TV
/movie themes. However, I was upset when Rob P. mentioned "She Caught
the Katy" - hey, my group just added it to our song list in an effort to
dilute the cheese! So, in an effort to add a little Stilton to this
discussion, I checked our song list and present the following as our
cheesiest, along with my cheese rating (# of c's) and comment.
"Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain" - ccc - good, aged American.
"Secret Agent Man" - c - any TV/Movie song qualifies as cheesy, but this
one rankes pretty low on the Limburger scale.
"Just a Closer Walk With Thee" - ccccc - real, non-processed Provelone
(or is schmaltz actually a kind of cheese?).
"Reason to Believe" - cccc - you've got to be better musicians than us
not to have this one curdle on you.
"What Am I Doing Hanging Round" - cc - my all-time favorite Monkees
song, but hey - it's a MONKEES song.
I must admit that not much harp gets played on these numbers, plus no
one pays to hear this load of romano, but thought you all might like to
see our cheese list.
Fred S (still playin' the Bleu's)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:00:58 -0400
From: "Blake Taylor" <taylorb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Harp-L] Gig Attire
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Here in Cincy, there is essentially an unspoken "no Mustang Sally" rule
at the main Blues Jams. Also, at the Cincinnati Blues challenge every
year, where there is a scoring penalty for doing covers, I think they
use bolt cutters on the strings of guitars and basses, spit chewed up
popcorn in to your harps, douse your amps with Southwest Ohio red table
wine, and toss you in the river if you even play 4 bars of the
song..... or so I have heard.
- Blake
>>> <BigDrum1@xxxxxxx> 04/14/05 8:31 PM >>>
penalty?????????????? how about having to play mustang sally at every
gig for
the rest of your life ?
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:55:00 -0400
From: Richard Hunter <turtlehill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Trouble with Timing
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The thing that cured my timing problems was working with drum machines.
A metronome is better for precision exercises. A drum machine is better
for learning to play with a groove.
Regards, Richard Hunter
hunterharp.com
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:59:33 -0400
From: Rooty Baegga <rootybaegga@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Band Attire and Cheese
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I have enjoyed both of these threads and hope a neophyte won't be chastised
for an opinion, or two, or more.
BAND ATTIRE & DRESS CODES:
I need to preface this with the fact that I am allergic to dress codes,
being a long-time jeans and t-shirt kind of guy.
There's a dress code where I work. The ONLY thing verboten is blue jeans,
under the admonition that blue jeans are not professional
attire. Shorts? They're okay. Sweat pants? No problem. Sweat pants
with holes and or grass stains? It's all good. Crop tops with belly
button rings showing? Still fine. Cargo pants? Okie-dokey. But, no blue
jeans.
In fact, I have made the joke (often) that my place of employment
discriminates on the basis of colour: You can wear black jeans, tan jeans,
green jeans, corduroy jeans. The only jeans one cannot wear are blue
jeans, so it's discrimination on the basis of colour.
Obviously the rule makes no sense and the Emperor has no clothes.
However, we are not on-stage, either. I agree with those who say band
members should dress appropriately for the venue. I also agree with the
other opinion that says a band that's a democracy might democratize itself
into ennui. I have found that bands work better when there is a leader
whose word is law. If you're the leader, lay down the law. I don't wear
jeans at work because it's against the rule, no matter how silly I believe
the stupid rule may be.
CHEESE
Why I feel I can talk about the inner workings of bands is because I have
managed several. To list my bona fides: I managed Canada's VERY FIRST
Roots Reggae band, way back in the '70s, named Ishan People, later renamed
Ishan Band. We put out 2 LPs, both produced by David Clayton Thomas, who
was (probably still is) a huge Reggae fan, long before most people had ever
heard the genre. The second band was a Queen Street Art/Rock/Pop band
named Drastic Measures. It was the Punk era and Art/Rock was a very hard
sale at the time. However, we managed one LP on Columbia. A second was
recorded, but never released. The third band was a 9-piece '80s World Beat
band named Officials, which included musicians from all over the world
(Africa, Canada and the Caribbean, mostly) including Osibisa's Del
Richardson (from Europe) on guitar and vocals.
While I may be a neophyte on harmonica, I do understand bands.
Each band I managed was outside of the mainstream. Consequently, one of
the pieces of advice I offered to them all was to judiciously sprinkle a
few cover tunes in their live set. People "get" cover tunes. A Reggae
version of a familiar song allows an audience to better understand what
Reggae is all about.
Now, all these years later, I might not be so insistent on that because
Reggae is not all that foreign to the ears. However, back then it was
important.
Another thing about cover tunes is that people just love them. How galling
it must be to be a songwriter who creates some terrific, inventive,
melodious music onstage, only to have it totally overwhelmed by the
reaction to some cheesy cover that has the shock of the familiar. That's
the way it goes. Audiences eat that crap up.
And, the word "cheesy" reminds me of Suzy Creamcheese. Frank Zappa,
brilliant as he was (not up for debate!!!), was not above cover tunes. If
he wasn't covering some Doo Wop, he was all over things like Purple Haze,
Stairway To Heaven, Whipping Post, Sunshine of Your Love, or Bolero. (Yes,
Bolero.)
Cover tunes, as cheesy as they may be, are still worth chewing on for
musician and audience alike.
Lastly, how sad it was to learn here that Matt "Guitar" Murphy had a
stroke. I have so much music that he's a part of in my collection (42
linear feet of CDs). I finally managed to see Blues Brothers 2000 on tee
vee the other night and, while it's not as much fun as the original flick,
it still had its moments.
I wish him all the best.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:18:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jp "Pagan" <jpl_pagan@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Hohner 364 question
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Hey all,
i tried to post this before, but it doesn't seem to
have come through. i haven't been able to find out the
layout of the Hohner 364 Marine Band (not the solo
tuned one). i'm interested in the D especially, as i'm
figuring it's a low D, but i'm not sure.
i also haven't been able to find solo tuned
diatonics in keys other than C. anyone?
thanks all,
--Jp
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:21:22 -0700
From: "Dave Murray" <dlmurray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Trouble With Timing
To: <Harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chris Michalek <Chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Try to think like a bass player rather than a melody instrument.
Thanks for that idea. I just picked up the book (with CD) "The Working
Bassist's Tool Kit". The proof will be in the playing. I plan to start
including his "daily rituals" into my practice. It looks like good practical
stuff. Who'da thunk it, except that so many players right here who's playing
that I enjoy and admire say "listen to other instruments". I'll add "too"
since I still have more to learn from harp players than I have years I
suspect. But poor timing is a big neon sign blinking "poor player, poor
player, ..." over the head of people with undeveloped timing (like me).
I hope to catch you playing tomorrow night. Sometimes life happens when you
have other plans, but...
Peace and music,
Dave
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:22:54 -0400
From: Rooty Baegga <rootybaegga@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Summing Up the Advice
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I want to make sure I understand all the advice given me, so please correct
me if I go wrong:
If I want to blat like Bob Dylan and Neil Young, or honk some blues like
Sonny Terry or Charlie Musselwhite, then a diatonic is for me. If a
diatonic is for me, a $20 Horner Special 20 or a Golden Melody, both in C,
are the best with which to start.
If I am more interested in playing melodies, which may or may not include
jazz or Peg O' My Heart, and if I don't want to spend time looking for
notes that aren't there, then a chromatic is the better choice.
Having weighed all this advice carefully, as well as my musical
preferences, I believe I should move into the chromatic world. Which is a
shame, because diatonic had price on its side.
Therefore, what are the recommendations for chromatic harmonicas for a
newbie?
Putting the cart before the horse: I have already decided which song I wish
to master on harmonica and I don't even have a harmonica yet. Is that the
official definition of hubris?
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:18:41 -0400
From: "ChipComcast" <jandkday@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Another Gear Orbit..which 4x10?
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Hey all,
'm looking to trade up to the 4x10...
Harp King?
Sonny Jr II ?
Fender '59 Bassman LTD
I have looked a comparisions at the Masterclass site
& Sonny's site, but I could not find much on the Harp King 4X10.
Any Thoughts based on owner usage?
JDay
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:10:51 -0400
From: Joe and Cass Leone <leone@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Internet Blues Radio Show
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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On Apr 14, 2005, at 6:57 PM, backbender1 wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I get just about all my stuff from BlueBeat Music
>
> www.bluebeatmusic.com
>
> ...tell them I sent you! I get no comission, but they
> have THE best stuff & great prices to boot. As well as
> an awesome selection of blues & harmonica recordings.
>
> Thanks for all the responses offline. I'm away from
> the airwaves next week (teaching at Buckeye Harmonica
> Festival, then St. Louis Jam Camp & then Chicago) but
> I'll be back on the air the following Thursday, April
> 28.
>
> -Dennis Gruenling
> www.dennisgruenling.com
>
>
See you at Buckeye Dennis. I will be there next weekend and then the
following weekend I will be at the Manchester Craftsman's Guild in
Pittsburgh. Maybe you can show me how to overblow/blow-bend. Busy,
busy, busy
smo-joe
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:19:18 -0400
From: Joe and Cass Leone <leone@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: (Cheesy) Cover Songs
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Sylvia & Fred wrote:
>
> "Just a Closer Walk With Thee" - ccccc - real, non-processed Provelone
> (or is schmaltz actually a kind of cheese?).
> Fred S (still playin' the Bleu's)
>
>
A Closer Walk ain't such a bad tune if you do it NOLA style with a
full Dixieland band. Every week we do a dixieland and I play clarinet
part. Tonight it was "Back Home in Indiana". Last week it was "Look
Down that Lonesome Road".
CWWT should start out as a funeral dirge and then rip loose.
smo-joe
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:21:55 -0400
From: Joe and Cass Leone <leone@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Gig Attire
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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On Apr 14, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Blake Taylor wrote:
> Here in Cincy, there is essentially an unspoken "no Mustang Sally"
> rule
> at the main Blues Jams. Also, at the Cincinnati Blues challenge every
> year, where there is a scoring penalty for doing covers, I think they
> use bolt cutters on the strings of guitars and basses, spit chewed up
> popcorn in to your harps, douse your amps with Southwest Ohio red table
> wine, and toss you in the river if you even play 4 bars of the
> song..... or so I have heard.
>
> - Blake
>
There's a lot to like about Cincians. Our sop/alt/ten/flute man is
Skip Haynes (from Cincy) and the standing LAW is: NO Mustang Sally, NO
Proud Mary.
smo-joe
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:43:35 -0400
From: randysinger <randy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Subject: [Harp-L] Purple Haze
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Chris Michalek <Chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Purple haze on harmonica? This I had to hear.
Great job chris. I absolutely loved it!!!!!!!!
Got to give great kudos to chris for a few reasons.
1) he captured the notes, intonation as well as the essence and soul of
the song beautifully.
2) He did the whole song without reverb or echo, which is harder to do.
3) he even got the feedback effect at the end and beginning.
Congratulations chris, this is a real paradigm buster.
randy
ps
you might want to reveal what processing you utilitzed, is that a
phaser, flanger, ring modulator or alien voicebox?
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:16:25 -0500
From: "Chris Michalek" <Chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Purple Haze
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A bunch of people were asking me about playing Purple Haze off list.
A harp in 2nd position. You will need to hit the 6ob to play it
right.
This is the only recorded version I have. It's no where near my best
as this recording at the time was my 1st attempt ever. It was just a
spontaneous thing in the studio. Now we play it all the time at our
live shows.
This is my trio - Harmonica, Bass and Drums. (Live with no overdubs)
http://www.michalekstrone.com/music/purplehaze.mp3
Chris Michalek
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:00:59 EDT
From: TUL1RD@xxxxxxx
Subject: [Harp-L] Country & Bluegrass Harmonica Seminar at SPAH 2005
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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Country & Bluegrass Harmonica Seminar SPAH 2005 featuring: Charlie McCoy;
Tulsa Read; PT Gazell; Cara Cooke and Jelly Roll Johnson is the place to
be
this summer if you play Country or Bluegrass harmonica.
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