Re: [Harp-L] intonation and bending/overblow notes



re: chris' "summertime" mp3

chris,

i love that, very cool...i wouldn't say there were clams galore...that easily met my ear test, very pleasant. that was way cool jazz music, i'm a big avante garde jazz fan (and straight ahead jazz too) ornette coleman, coltrane, mingus and many others . look, regardless of how much it swings, it has to meet the ear test or it sounds terrible. fact is, if the playing is lame then it DOESN"T SWING no matter how much people delude themselves, or how well the rest of the band is playing...it ruins the song, like bonfiglio"s tranquil water metaphor, it kills the song and makes me cringe. take your baby aspirin my friend, i hope to hear you do your thing , continue to improve and achieve success for a long long time.

also, that live mp3 of your "summertime" i wish it was louder but obviously just a gig recording, sounds like the drunk people in the audience were enjoying themselves, wish i had been one of them!!

way cool rhythm section, very musical bass solo...

i've always been a chris michalek fan anyways, if it sounds good it is good .

it would probably be uncool to do so therefore i won't do it, but i should forward you a few (with IDs blocked out) of the many sympathetic offlist e-mails i got about my b.s. call posting , very illuminating . amazing how succinctly and enthusiastically people will agree with you offlist, but not onlist.

cletus h. white


----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Michalek" <Chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaguire@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Harp-L] intonation and bending/overblow notes , iceman's summertime




Well Brian is obviously stirring the pot but that's as it needs to be
done from time to time...

intonation is very very important but sometime the energy of the song
will supercede such issues...

Feel free to tear my rendition of the same tune...there are clams
galore but the ferocity of the groove overwhelms any serious issues.
Perhaps y'all think differently.


www.michalekstrone.com/music/summertime.mp3







---- Original Message ---- From: jaguire@xxxxxxxxxxx To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [Harp-L] intonation and bending/overblow notes , iceman's summertime Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:17:17 -0700


iceman sayeth,


"To answer the question and suggestions of using a minor tuned
harmonica to
play this song, I choose not to use any special tuned harmonicas in
order to
realize my vision of moving all notes created on the regular
diatonic
harmonica into equality.

The very fact that so many of you couldn't tell that "Summertime"
was played
in 2nd position lets me know that my notes created through bending
techniques (including OB) are becoming seamless. "

-----------------------------

out of tune notes are not "seamless", they stick out instantly to
the
listener as "off" and sound generally unpleasant


notes played are either in tune or out of tune....intonation.....if
that
song "summertime" had been played on a chromatic or a piano all the
notes
would have been in tune.....fact is there were quite a few if not
many notes
there that were simply out of tune...stick out like a sore thumb
every time
. just because the notes are played on a diatonic harmonica does
not mean
we can blithely ignore the
fact that out of tune notes sound bad.   hitting bent or
overbend/overblow
notes spot on to pitch every single time in a live performance is
really
hard if not impossible. hitting every note in tune every single time
on a
piano or a chromatic is virtually guaranteed. i've heard howard
play live
for hours and have never heard more out of tune notes played live by
a
professional musician in my entire life. quite embarrassing to
witness
really.

maybe it's the polite thing to do to ignore out of tune notes played
over
and over again on a diatonic harmonica but then again there is a
place for
something called intellectual honesty , especially in this forum.

this needs to be said by someone other that just richard. i make
these
obvious points not to create rancor or to detract from a player's
talent ,
since howard for instance is , in a general although oddly
contradictory
sense, clearly far and away the most talented musician to ever play
the
diatonic harmonica ( regardless of the fact that i would rather
listen to
william clarke or a few dozen other harp players).

of course , playing a blues harp in " amplified chicago-style " or
"amplified rock harp"  as many of "our heroes"  do/did , is a style
much
less susceptible to this intonation problem . one reason being that
notes
are not so dependant on being hit spot on where bending is often
slurred
through in the blues/rock style.

can you say, "the emperor's new clothes" ? i knew you could.
this whole
phenomenon of harp people ignoring all the out of tune notes is the
most
amazing case of the "emperor's new clothes" in real life.
where the
heck is the little boy who says, " gee, that dude can really play
the hell
out that harmonica, but what's up with all the out of tune notes
that nobody
is calling b.s. on? seems to me if a violin teacher heard her
prodigy
violin student play every fifth note off-pitch he/she would
INSTANTLY call
b.s. on that.

maybe i don't get it , but i can tell when a note is badly off pitch
in a
song . and i am a big fan of harmonica music.

cletus


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