Re: Subject: [Harp-L] Re: Music and perception



My sentiments exactly Elizabeth. I did notice that the list of names the other day only included Toots on chromo. The other names were ? Cotton, Wilson, Piazza, Estrin, Mischo, Ricci, Levy, and others? These are ALL basically diatonic players. I get the impression? that diatonic players will be less inclined to hold Steevie up as high as their own favorites? Note the number of question marks, as I wouldn't want any of the experts to think I was trying to delve into THEIR territory.

Each and every time I have said anything about Steveland Morris Judkins, I have taken heat, so I don't talk about him any more. I once made a statement and was barraged and reminded that someone 'else' had spent "More time than anyone" studying Steevie and his works. When you think about it, that's a ridiculous claim and one that's hard to prove. First of all, I have played like Steevie before there WAS a Steevie. Fortunately, he passed me by and did something with his time. :)

smokey-joe


On Nov 27, 2006, at 6:39 PM, EGS1217@xxxxxxx wrote:




Haka Harri responds to my post with:

"I doubt that being European affects one's view of multi- instrumentalists
that play harp or makes their opinions even faintly ludicrous. As I said
earlier, Stevie is not "faulted" because he plays other instruments"


... I didn't phrase it clearly. I didn't mean to imply that being European
and having that attitude was "faintly ludicrous". My comment about "faintly
ludicrous" was in direct comment about Stevie Wonder being faulted for not
focusing solely on his harp playing. I obviously did not make that point clear
enough.


Being European myself would seem to make it obvious I don't consider ALL
Europeans as not respecting Stevie Wonder's talents; was merely making an
observation about those who consistently put him down on these lists.


But I WILL disagree with your take that Stevie Wonder is "not faulted for
playing other instruments". Clearly that IS the case, when it is so often
used to describe him compared to other harpists.


Every time the "Stevie" argument comes about ...on this list as well as on
others, it inevitably involves two or three people who use the same old
argument that he doesn't "play enough harp". "Doesn't devote himself as
'so-and-so' does to playing chromatic for X amount of years"....."plays other
instruments"....."sings"...."writes"...."plays keyboard", "drums". (Ergo cannot be a
serious enough, devoted enough, "good" enough, harmonica player?)


Like it or not, all the practice in the world cannot make a silk purse out
of a sow's ear. For all any of us know, Stevie Wonder just may not HAVE to
practice constantly or devote himself to the harmonica every day to STILL be an
absolutely brilliant chromatic harmonica player...sometimes natural
talent/genius will have out. But I can't speak for him..the thing is that his life
isn't an open book. None of us know what he does in his daily life, nor how
much time he devotes to his harmonica playing.


In previous outings his version of Alfie was brought up with the description
of it as "Schmaltzy" and "boring". The two people who dissed him then (just
a few short months ago)comparing him to Toots and if I remember correctly
went so far as to bring in discussions of European classical composers of the
17th century....were German and Dutch, and were like dogs with bones about the
subject....wouldn't let it go until I simply stopped playing their game.
Am I wrong about you and Pierre both being European as well? Many apologies,
then....if I find it all a bit odd.


When pointed out then that he issued the Eivets Rednow album when he was no
older than 21 (I believe between the ages of 18 - 21)....it was discounted
...shunted aside. Then his next 30 - 40 years of growth as a
composer/arranger/writer/musician was dismissed as "pure pop", "Motown".... So???


...as if somehow that made him "less" of a musician. Stevie Wonder can
hold his own with any top Jazz/Blues artist I can think of. Has the chops,
proves his chops... doesn't HAVE to prove his chops.


...(I was trying to be kind and assuming that living in Europe precluded
them from exposure to the Stevie that we Americans are exposed to...that was
kind of what I was getting at...perhaps some folks are still thinking of him as
someone in his 20's and not the 50+ year old man he is today....)


Many of us have heard him....perhaps those who constantly seek to diss him
haven't been exposed to all of what we've heard. I only ask that instead of
jumping to constantly refute his talents and skill every time his name
surfaces, that these people who seem to really dislike him enough to leap at every
opportunity to put him down....actually LISTEN to what he's able to
do...instead of using something he did or performed over 30 years ago as an
"example".


Or....how about just stop putting down a musician a lot of other people hold
in high esteem? What a concept!


When did it get to be de rigeur to put down one, in order to elevate
another? I never understood that mindset. Just because David first said what he
did about Stevie Wonder's solo with Tony Bennett...with reverence and so
obviously moved by the experience, there was absolutely NO need to begin to dump on
his take on it. Most people didn't....the few who did, did so for some
strange reason of their own. What did they think? That a simple statement of
awe by David, if allowed to remain unchallenged on THIS list somehow elevated
Stevie Wonder above their favourites...so must be refuted? How absurd...
it gets wearying....


I'm not going so far as to say there's an innate prejudice against a
contemporary American player/composer but to me it seems to always be
there...hanging in the air, and the "multi-instrumentalist" argument used purely as a red
herring.... make of THAT what you will...


Just my take on it...in my most humble opinion......as a naturalized
American from Europe... and please note I never once discussed "best" or "better".
:)



Elizabeth





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