[Harp-L] Re: Harp-L Digest, Vol 54, Issue 71



Spec20 sez:

"On the topic of harp in the movies...

I just watched the move 'The Getaway' (the 1972 original with Steve McQueen and Ali MacGraw, not the lame remake with Alec Baldwin). The soundtrack was dominated by bass harp sounds played by Toots! Perfect texture and tension for the movie. Very highly recommended.

-Spec20"

Not accurate with regard to "who did what" in the film. It is correct that Toots played chromatic in the 1972 film "The Getaway," but did not play the bass harmonica in the film. Toots Thielemans does not play bass harmonica, nor does he claim to do so. His seat-mate in the studio session for those 3 days was none other than Tommy Morgan, who did play all the bass harmonica in the film, as he did in many films, TV shows, etc.

Quincy Jones was nominated for the Golden Globe Award for Best Original Score.

- Danny

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Today's Topics:


   1. Barney Fife Plays Harmonica (Ken Hildebrand)
   2. RE: Chromatic customizing (I?igo Garc?a)
   3. Some non-tech Mini-Meateor observations (dennis moriarty)
   4. Mini-Meteor (dennis moriarty)
   5. Norton not Ricci (Walter Joyce)
   6. Re:  Has anybody tried the Hohner Marine Band Deluxe? (Tim Moyer)
   7. Subject: Re: Book on Eastern European Fiddle Tunes - EBay,	no
      bid (EGS1217@xxxxxxx)
   8. Re: Tax Time Specials (SONNYTONE@xxxxxxx)
   9. Re: Annie's Rig (was Laredo) (Special20)
  10. Harp in the movies (Special20)
  11. Re: Norton not Ricci (Joe and Cass Leone)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:38:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Hildebrand <airmojoken@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Barney Fife Plays Harmonica
To: harp-l <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Now who doesn't like Don Knotts' character "Barney
Fife" ?

Check these out...

A (fictious) script from a lost Andy Griffith Show
episode (Barney almost's gusses the Beatles):

http://mog.com/emscee/blog_post/145041


Barney buying new shoes, and can't resist pulling out his harmonica:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69wCscbRH3E


The "Loaded Goat" episode where Barney plays his harmonica (they call it a "French harp") to soothe a mad goat that's full of dynamite:

http://www.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/tuner.php?channel=22&format=tv&theme=guide


Larry Delawder impersonating Barney Fife. Now this "Barney" can play some country-style harp! Click on 'Video Clip':

http://www.ronwebbministries.com/Recent%20Events.htm

Larry is an excellent harmonica player !


Ken H in OH








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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:07:37 +0100
From: I?igo Garc?a <iruiz2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Harp-L] Chromatic customizing
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Hi everybody:

I recently bought (and read) Douglas Tate's book "Make Your Harmonica Work
Better", and among other things I was discouraged to read that alter doing
most of the improvements on the mouthpiece, slide movement, etc (metal
parts) he writes that you have to plate those pieces (chrome plate, silver
plate). Does anyone know the reason for this? The only one I could think of
was maybe health related, due to the possibility that tiny metal pieces make
it to your lungs if you do not plate the pieces after working on them? Do
you people do this plating process or not?

In addition, on a Hohner 270 (chromonica) what do you think it is the most
important customizing job to do (the one that improves most
responsiveness/air tightness)?

I appreciate any comments on this...

Thnaks,

Iñigo.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] En nombre
de Joe and Cass Leone
Enviado el: martes, 19 de febrero de 2008 7:18
Para: David Payne
CC: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic customizing (some may consider this to be
long)


On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:53 PM, David Payne wrote:


Slide work is tricky. Especially on an older piece. You could 'Jewel'
the slide.

smo-joe



Joe,

I could jewel the slide. What's that?

It's pretty much what you have already done. What I do is hold the slide in my left hand with the button on the right, and using an exacto knife, I drag it along the left sides of the holes on a 45 degree angle to (in machinist's parlance) 'Break" the edges. Then I flip the slide end to end and, with the button on the left now, I break the opposite sides of the holes. Then I do the upper and then the lower edges. (thats 48 edges).


I flip the slide over and do the bottom the same way (48 more edges). Then finish off with very fine emory to catch all the burs. Use rubbing compound to remove scratches and wax with Simonize.
Chromatic customizing isn't something we talk about a lot on Harp - L, so about all I know is what was on The Great Rupert Oysler's video and what I figured out myself, so I'm really interested in how other guys tackle chromatic problems.

We don't talk about it here because people aren't as interested as, say, on another list, where I have been posting for 8 years on these topics. As well as several publications. Harp-l seems to center on people, shows, gear, legends, etc, whereas a chromo list would be more into maintenance. This is only normal due to there being SOO much maintenance to a chromo. Whereas a diat is almost goof proof. I have worked on both since 1956, so, while I certainly don't consider myself an expert, I'm no virgin either. :)
I polished it all, of course, but What I did was, and yes it was tricky, tighten the tolerances a little between the slide and slide carriage. I --- carefully ---- sanded the carriage down to almost, but not, flush with the slide to make the slide fit a bit tighter.

The over bridgerpiece is the tricky part. Take a little off the sides and you tighten up the action. Too much and you ruin the overbridger. The very nature of the beast dictates that there MUST be some play there or unless your entire assembly is completely beyond suspicion as to flatness, you will bind up the parts. Parts that a diat doesn't HAVE.


Then it's a matter of having to dip the mouthpiece (holes DOWN) in 3/16" for Hohner, 1/4" for Hering, a tray of water, to loosen up the saliva. Which has, in time, turned into a fairly accurate mimic of Elmer's Glue. BTW, I use Efferdent to do that. Sooo, after tightening up an action, you need to be especially vigilant and on the lookout for problems. All gains come with a trade off. Then, there are tricks you can resort to.

It seems to have worked pretty well. I sanded the side of the comb a little flatter for the reedplate mate and I embossed and arced the reeds up to hole 6. I tried putting windsavers on it, that doesn't work on the inside cause the chambers are to narrow.

The channels inside ARE narrow, but you can still apply breath savers. The trick is to look at the plate. There will be 'shadows' of the comb webs ON the brass, and as long as you keep the savers inside these limits, the savers will be ok. It all comes with practice applying them.


The chambers are not much wider than the reed itself.

Actually they are at least 1 1/2 times as wide, so a saver . being only 1 1/6th as wide as the slot, should fit just fine. I have often used recording tape (cut down) to replace a saver. Also, sheared rubber from a hot water bottle. Chromos DO take some experimentation. But then it can be fun as long as your hands are steady and your eyes still work. I happen to (now) use a Dazor magnifying lamp with about 4.5x and 3 serious bulbs. But my hands are getting shaky.
On the other hand, tightening the tolerances did give the slide a tendancy to sometimes hang up when I pushed it in, cause the external spring doesn't just push the slide out, it also pushes up.

True. The first thing 'I' do with a new chromo is to throw out the original spring. They are cadmium plated and while appearing clean, the surfaces are actually pourous and will 'saw away' at the spring hole in time. Especially if, like many of the guys on this list, you use the slide a LOT. I use a #2 safety pin. They are chrome plated and slide in the spring hole better. I also put the bend you speak of in the leg of the pin.


I CAREFULLY bent the spring slightly so it wasn't pushing up as much. That seemed to work.

Yup. From what you have said so far, you sound like a person who does a workmanlike craftsman's job. I think you do just fine.
The harp plays now. Before, I couldn't play it, it was so leaky. Now, it plays pretty well, it's just not very loud.

I don't know what experience you have WITH chromos, but chromos AREN't as loud as diats. Also, a peculiarity of chromos is that you can buy 2 chromos and one WILL be louder than the other. It doesn't really mean one is better or set up better. Some are just softer sounding. What I CAN tell you is that Herings will always be louder than Hohners. They are also more 'biting'. Not necessarily sharper, but the sound is more pinchey. Whatever floats your boat.


I'm having a lot of fun with it, it looks really cool. I'm considering making an external spring and putting it on a 270. I don't think the external spring works better, it just looks so cool.

I had a friend (God rest his soul). He was a great player. His name was Jerry (Gerry Muradian). He fronted the Harmonicats. A trio that may have been before your time. We used to work on his stuff at his basement workshop. The first thing he would do was to put on an outside spring made from coil spring he got from a clock shop. He SWORE by them and while he would play any internal spring when 6-7 of us would get together at his house on Tuesdays, he always PERFORMED with an external spring. He said he never broke a spring and the main reason he used them was because of the wear the early slides would endure from the internal springs from his incessant practicing when he was younger. That and chromos originally CAME with external springs.


He literally 'burned' out the spring holes. That's not good, as the slide quits indexing correctly.

Hope you can use some of this

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:22:35 -0500
From: dennis moriarty <dmoriarty@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Some non-tech Mini-Meateor observations
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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Realize I have only used it in a limited capacity, e.g., the 6V6
tubes which are not as loud as the interchangeable 6L6s that also came with it, living room as opposed to stage, and half asleep from the
challenges of life..... Aesthetically it has a wooly upholstery finish
and is a terrific size with a strong handle weighing in around 35-40
pounds (the weight and size are comparable to the Kinder Soulful). I
won't go into the Weber speaker and tube configuration since you can
google that and get harp-l and Weber board threads as well as
contact the builder. There is gratefully some tonal variety contingent
on the Meat vs. Meatier mike inputs and tube choices........ Mine was
specialized in red with a silver grille cloth (so I could find it in the
dark). Now for the adjectives: Vintagy sounding, raspy, big and boomy at times depending on your mike attack, cutting with
(IMO) the tone up, capable of stage volume with 2 guitarist electric
bands (although I have not tested this yet). It has a richness of sound
at high and low volume (once again I have only utilized the higher
wattage capacity 6L6s as opposed to the lower wattage 6V6s). The
build is solid, the packing is solid, the delivery is expeditious, the
builder is affable and passionate..... For me it's worth the price
and the anticipation. Is it superior to John Kinder's Soulful?: Absolutely
not. Is it as terrific?: Absolutely. Do I regret selling one to get the
other?: No. Would I advocate one over the other?: Of course not. They
are both terrific as I'm sure Sonny's Cruncher (gotta try one of them some day too) and Brian's and Robert's
and Rob's, etc. etc, are. Great job Scott! It's a keeper. d


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:02 -0500
From: dennis moriarty <dmoriarty@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Mini-Meteor
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Oops in my initial post I meant to write: (once again I have only utilized the lower
wattage capacity 6V6s as opposed to the higher wattage 6L6s) Anyway since I constructed that last email I swapped in the 6L6s and it really has stage volume now. Loud and toneful! No affiliation just credit where credit is deserved. At this point I think most of us will agree that all the major harp voiced amps are producing great products. d
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:39:14 -0500
From: Walter Joyce <wtjoyce45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Norton not Ricci
To: Harp List <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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FWIW, John Mayall would have just turned 40 in 1973. He was one of my earliest influences.


Walter Joyce


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:05:26 -0000
From: "Tim Moyer" <wmharps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re:  [Harp-L] Has anybody tried the Hohner Marine Band
	Deluxe?
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Special20 wrote:
I have not found any Hohner Marine Band Deluxe harps around Denver, and I'm too impatient to order one. Have you played this harp? Is it worth 50 bucks, in your opinion? Does the wood comb swell at all?

Too impatient? The Marine Band Deluxe has been on the market for a couple of years now. I'm not surprised that not a lot of retail outlets stock them, dealer cost is high and the demand for premium harps from the general public is probably pretty low. Online retailers should be able to put one in your hands in a couple of days.


I had a Deluxe a couple of years ago, and found it to be pretty nice. I like the way they roll the back covers open, like the Marine Bands of old. I didn't have any trouble with the comb swelling, but I did have a problem with it "delaminating" after a pretty small amount of playing time. In other words, the finish came off the front of the comb tines. I asked our former inside man at Hohner, Fernando Bresslau, about it, and he told me that Hohner had seen the problem and fixed it, and he sent me a new comb. I didn't have any trouble with the new one. Still, the Marine Band is not my favorite design, and I ended up sending the harp to my brother-in-law in Iraq.

I did find the harp to be fairly close to the "classic" Marine Band, aside from being assembled with screws and the sealed comb (yes, and the covers). Same tuning quality, same factory gapping, etc., although theoretically, since they have the best technicians in the factory working on these harps, they should be more consistent, at least.

If you don't work on your own harps, you are in love with that "Marine Band sound", and you're not unhappy with the way a classic Marine Band is tuned and set up, the Deluxe is probably the way to go. In my book, a $30 price premium is worth it for the comb not to swell.

-tim





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:54:43 EST
From: EGS1217@xxxxxxx
Subject: [Harp-L] Subject: Re: Book on Eastern European Fiddle Tunes -
	EBay,	no bid
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Thought someone here might have an interest. I've been looking at this site for Hal Leonard Book/CD jazz play alongs...and came across this book. Couldn't open the photo, so have no idea what the songs are. It's a 'buy it now'...so no bidding, and a long purchase time.
The site has over 20,000 items in MusicBooks alone.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:47:33 EST
From: SONNYTONE@xxxxxxx
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: Tax Time Specials
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I am running specials until the end of June on both the Cruncher $1495.00, and the 410 at $1925.00. As with most other companies now this does not include the cover, but does include my full package for tone changes and room situations, mics, etc..... Please read the reviews that have come in on the Cruncher on the site, of course the You Tube at sonny jr shows it live, but I played it at a gig Monday night up on a milk crate and got some great tone and projection out of it. Mike Law and his band really know how to lay down the old time blues, so I did not even have to mic it. You can actually plug into the bright one channel for more projection and still have bottom end, it just makes the amp kick up a notch or two. Dave Barrett will be sending out a flyer beginning of March, just wanted to give you all a head's up. My goal with the Cruncher as that is nearly my cost is to get as many out there as I can so others can talk to their friends about them. Thank you. Sonny Jr.



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:01:20 -0700
From: Special20 <special20harp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Annie's Rig (was Laredo)
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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In Gary Smith's videos, Joh Gindicks books, Brian Purdy's website,  (and
about a zillion other places), pro blues players stress the vital importance
of the tight cup on the bullet mic.

So which is it? It it important or not?

-Spec20


On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:31 AM, <IcemanLE@xxxxxxx> wrote:


Hopefully the last few comments from Annie aren't missed by the readers
 on
this list -

it's not about volume on stage and breathe through the harmonica

Annie mentions that she doesn't have an airtight cup, yet still sounds
huge...





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:06:46 -0700
From: Special20 <special20harp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Harp in the movies
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On the topic of harp in the movies...

I just watched the move 'The Getaway' (the 1972 original with Steve McQueen
and Ali MacGraw, not the lame remake with Alec Baldwin).  The soundtrack was
dominated by bass harp sounds played by Toots!  Perfect texture and tension
for the movie.  Very highly recommended.

-Spec20


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:21:07 -0500
From: Joe and Cass Leone <leone@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Norton not Ricci
To: Walter Joyce <wtjoyce45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Walter Joyce wrote:


FWIW, John Mayall would have just turned 40 in 1973. He was one of my earliest influences.

Walter Joyce

Yeah Walter. I'm really glad you brought this up because it gives me a chance to redeem myself. I wasn't trying to be the all seeing all knowing authority yesterday. I was just giving an opinion and hope no one took it the wrong way. I am not an expert on these matters, and would venture out and go as far as to say that Rob Paparrozzi, and Madcat, and Elizabeth are probably more knowledgeable on these matters.

In other words I'm not saying that I'm right. I'm just making an educated guess. It so happens that I have no recollection of ever seeing nor having heard Norton Buffalo until around 2003. I mean I had heard the name but couldn't put a face to the name. Certainly not an 'early' face. Whereas, I HAD seen Butterfield and Mayall....up close.

Depending on WHEN this video was made, would make a BIG difference. As John Mayall wore very long hair (much like Arlo Guthrie), and a wirey goatee. Unlike Guthrie, however, (who was kinda cute), he had a rather menacing look, and piercing steeley grey? eyes. It wasn't until you got close to him and his size became apparent that the menacing part slipped away.

So: A video shot in 1968. Mayall would be 35, Butterfield would be 25, 'I' would be 25, Norton would be only 15.
" " " 1973. Mayall 40, Butterfield 30, Norton 20
" " " 1978. Mayall 45, Butterfield 35, Norton 25


Sooo, to make a long story short, I used 'facial degresssion', and, to me anyway, the person looks to be around 20-25, doesn't have high cheekbones, isn't gaunt. The only thing that matches both is the weight (maybe 154 lbs). As for the hat. That doesn't phase me as I have a hat (with concho) that is similar to the ones worn by Stevie Ray Vaughn, Bo Diddley, Charley McCoy.

In conclusion, Of the three, the only player whose music I followed was Mayall's. I don't know anything about the other two.

smokey-joe


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