Re: [Harp-L] Lots of Love from Elizabeth to Joel...

["Gary Calahan" <glcalahan@xxxxxxxxx>]

Why is this on the list??  I don't see any harp content.

Gary

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Joel Thomas
<theloveboxquartet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Elizabeth,
>
> Yes, there are people on Harp-l who have interesting and constructive
> things to say.....Steve Shaw, Rick Dempster, Rick Epping amongst others.
> yes..I quite agree.
>
> Pity then that you aren't on this list.
>
> Hahaha...you really are amusing. :)  Perhaps you mistake me for someone
> easily intimidated by your bullying, or contrarily...someone who gives a
> flying fig as to your opinion?
>
> For the record, I would certainly include you in the 'not on the
> interesting and constructive list', as well, lol.
>
> for your edification, I constantly receive many emails and posts
> singling out and commending me for my contributions to harp-l.  I could
> quote a dozen recently as proof that I have as valid a voice in this
> community as anyone else, even when I wasn't quite sure I belonged
> there. Hopefully you'll quite understand when I explain that having you
> agree with these lovely people about me would be a detriment rather than
> a positive? lol
>
> Are you Winslow's mum, by the way, as you seem to be unable to help
> yourself from jumping in to his discussions.
> awww.  Did you seriously think this was a put down?  It's so 4th grade.
> LOL.
> Surely you can do better than the old and hackneyed: 'mother' insults?
> And no, since Winslow and I are fairly similar in age, it would be
> pretty much impossible for me to be his 'mum', lol!
>
> I'm sure he's a big boy who can fight his own battles (not that this is
> a battle, you understand, merely a dialogue or a discussion)
> Of course he can.  Since I haven't yet 'defended' him at all, merely
> thanked him for explaining on list that these were two completely
> separate and unrelated videos.  The fact that you took it as me
> defending him speaks volumes about your abilities of perception.  You
> see insults and 'attacks' where there are none.  However, you have gone
> out of your way to toss off insults against other very good people
> willy-nilly...even so much as to get in a jab against Jim Conway (your
> claim that it took him 3 tries to get it).  You're really quite
> transparent to anyone with any 'depth' perception.
>
> (not that this is
> a battle, you understand, merely a dialogue or a discussion)
>
> oh, come now.  Everything you've done since you joined the list has been
> a 'battle'...whether for recognition, or shouting as loudly and as
> sarcastically as you can to get attention...it's all the same thing (and
> easily deciphered).
>
> As to people leaving, I have read all the other stuff on Buddhasgroove,
> so know a bit about all the back-biting, sniping and general
> provincionalism that goes on on this list.
> But of course you have no idea of the origins of the furor created on
> harp-l, the person attacking a well-loved and honest player with
> impunity with accusations of cheating where none existed?  You 'think'
> you have some knowledge, but it's clearly sadly lacking.
>
> As to buddha's groove...it is owned by an individual, so if HE chooses
> to make his opinions known about someone he despises on his own website,
> that's entirely his choice.  He set up his website purely so opinions
> can be expressed therein without the censorship of harp-l.  When you own
> YOUR own website, you can do and say as you please. Many of us agree
> with him, so what?  Why is that any of your place or business to judge
> without having all the facts?
>
> ...either do ALL the research... get the entire story, or MYOB.
>
> I'm afraid your attitude is revealed through your rhetoric.
> You have absolutely no idea who I am or anything about my 'attitude'.
> Conversely, yours is all too obvious. Small man with Napoleonic complex.
> Quite common, I should think? LOL.
>
> Yes, I have attitude and don't care who knows it, but it's mine and I'm
> very happy with it, thank you.
>  I see ;)  So...let's understand this: you are allowed your attitude and
>  you're very happy with it, so should be allowed to say whatever you
>  choose, but I am not accorded the same privileges, am not allowed to
>  have my own?  hmmm  Strange sense of fair play, wot?
>
> And I will continue to say what I think and feel, whoever and whatever
> you think you are.....
> Have at it.  Keep cutting your own throat.  It will no longer faze me at
> all, although when I first read your insulting put-downs of some of the
> best players in the world, I very nearly wrote to you to give you a
> 'heads-up", to explain how just such an attitude will result in the
> opposite of the very thing you claim you want.
>
>  I'm quite relieved now that I didn't. waste my time and energy since
>  you seem to have no understanding at all in how to function or behave
>  in polite society.  I don't 'think' I am anything other than a
>  harmonica chromatic player, an amateur who has fairly recently come
>  back to playing after years away.  I gave up the harmonica upon
>  arrival in the US  from Scotland.  I've reiterated this information
>  and my decidedly amateur status ad infinitum on the lists.  I have no
>  'ego' thereto.  You, on the other hand clearly demonstrate your fury
>  upon your perception of 'being ignored',with an ego run amuck.
>  Transparently.
>
>
> Perhaps you should read postings by people who have actually agreed with
> my position that playing acoustically is very difficult,
> good lord, man.  Do you think you promulgated the  idea? Or that it's in
> any way new?  Acoustic playing and its inherent difficulties have been
> discussed at length on the list long before you ever appeared.  They
> aren't agreeing with 'your' position, merely acknowledging something
> long discussed and established before you ever showed up.  90% of the
> playing taking place at Spah and other conventions is acoustic.  Most of
> the people in attendance who play in the corridors, lobbies and even
> some seminars, play acoustically there and when they're home as well.
> You seem to think you're the only person with any knowledge of acoustic
> harmonica playing.  Get a grip.
> in fact, why
> don't you read my first and second postings, so you know what is
> actually being said, rather than your desire to protect Winslow.
> this is your basic problem.  You immediately assumed (making a complete
> ass out of yourself), that I was 'defending' Winslow. How inane.
> Winslow has never needed or required or would so much as expect:
> 'defending'.  You leapt to that conclusion erroneously, as I've already
> pointed out, with your innate ability to misunderstand what is written.
>
> Again, perhaps I should spell this out?  I  p o s t e d   a   s e c o n
> d   v i d e o unbeknownst to Winslow.  When you mistakenly assumed
> (there's that Ass again!), that it was the same video he first posted
> and leapt to attack him...I couldn't decide just how to explain it to
> you, given your obvious propensity for jumping to conclusions..so was
> mulling over exactly how and what to write to accept responsibility for
> my part in creating confusion; when Winslow posted his response and
> saved me the bother.
>
> Ergo my thank you to him, which post you immediately misread in your
> zeal to attack me!  Does it somehow satisfy you to feel you've 'bested'
> a woman? Seems so... as I've already gotten a half dozen emails
> commenting to me the opinions that in your world women  aren't supposed
> to, or are even 'allowed' to have a voice.  Too bad for you, but you
> will not shut me up.
>
> Strangely, I've long been teasingly telling my American friends just how
> superior British education was.  Seems I'll have to eat my words, given
> your inability to grasp even the simplest of written explanations.
>
>
> The latest edition of Geantrai on RTE Ireland has Mick Kinsella on
> harmonica and his wife Josephine on Melodeon. They are in a pub, the
> audience is hushed, but the harmonica, even with a microphone close by,
> struggles to be heard as a voice over the power of the unamplified
> Melodeon.
> So what?  so many variables affect acoustics...including the venue..the
> room itself.
>
> Yet some people (who have a strong ability to project their sound) can
> be heard at a much higher volume than others.  I'll cite Jimi Lee as the
> perfect example. The man can be heard anywhere at any time, over guitar,
> piano, drums...other people playing; without any amplification
> whatsoever.  Ask anyone who's experienced this phenomenon personally.
>
> But of course you won't.  You're so egotistically sure of your own
> 'facts', you'll refuse to accept anything to the contrary.  That, I
> quite see..is your Achilles heel.
>
> I idly wondered why you weren't espousing your 'new' info re your
> 'phantom' note..to the people at NHL...the British harmonica society.
> Then it dawned on me that you probably already have and were roundly
> ignored by them..so you now come to an American audience with a gigantic
> chip on your shoulder.
>
> It hasn't yet occurred to you that perhaps the biggest problem people
> have in taking you seriously is in getting past the first horrible
> grating sounds on your video...therefore never quite managing to hear
> what it is you wish them to towards the end.  I actually stuck with it
> despite it paining my ears...but I can't imagine people as busy as the
> many pro's you insisted should respond to you (no matter how busy their
> lives or schedules might be)... being able to spend the time wading
> through the dross.
>
>
> So yet again, does Winslow's assertion that he can hold his own
> acoustically over a band have anything useful to say to a budding
> acoustic player.
> Winslow speaks for himself.  He's a grown man and needs no one to defend
> him.  He's also one of the most learned, knowledgeable and, yes...NICE
> people ever to grace the harmonica lists.  Attacking him makes you come
> across as quite the fool, since he is a most decent and kind gentle man
> who goes about his life and music in a very low-key manner, garnering
> admirers and friends wherever he goes, and who gives back a great deal
> to harmonica players and the community at large.
>
> Before you jump to quote a couple of odd people out who may have decided
> they don't like him, first ask if they've met him personally.  I'm sure
> there are one or two who might still judge him unfairly our of jealousy
> and resentment to his intelligence, but they're far in the minority.
> Everyone else knows just how valuable an asset he is to the harmonica
> world.
>
> Does blowing your own trumpet constitute good teaching, I don't think
> so.
> LOL..this is too rich.  That's all you've done in your posts....quite
> clearly the pot calling the kettle black.
>
>  Winslow, on the other hand..(after I took the time to reread his last
>  couple of dozen posts from the archives)...merely made statements of
>  fact. That you choose to interpret his words as 'blowing his own
>  horn', telegraphs much more about you than it ever would him.
>
> The old saw about 'winning more flies with honey', surely applies when
> one is desperate to get recognition, attention and feedback.  One would
> think a grown adult male would perhaps have learned that very simple and
> basic truth by now?
>
>
> Oh, yes, it's 'PEDANTRY' isn't it, thank you for the
> correction..........ho ho!
>
> Cheers,
> Joel.
> wrong again.  I wasn't 'correcting' you.  I merely reiterated the term
> to refute your mistaken perceptions thereto.  I'm afraid it would have
> been impossible for me to then spell it erroneously purely to cater to
> your ego. (My British education coming into play, of course).
>
> EGS
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