Re: [Harp-L] re: history

["Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

This thread should have been taken offlist long ago, but you refuse to communicate offlist, where there is no audience to whom you may showcase your high-school debating skills. 

So, I must respond to you calling me an outright liar onlist: In West Virginia, calling somebody a liar, especially as you just did, is the most heinous of offences and it is certainly something one would only dare do from thousands of miles away via Internet ether.  You would never say that to my face. 

Yet, considering all that, I sit here not succombing to the fiery passions of unbridled, medieval anger right now as I should be. 

I am simply bored out of my skull. 


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Dave Payne Sr. 
Elk River Harmonicas
www.elkriverharmonicas.com



----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathan Ross <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:38:45 PM
Subject: [Harp-L] re: history

Dave Payne writes:

"John Ross"

It's Jon, as I mentioned previously.


"You wrote about a Mr. "Bauschman"
I want to know who that is. So I asked you who he was.
You dismiss it as: "A misspelling of Buschmann.""

Exactly, you asked, I answered.  Honestly and directly: I made a  
mistake, I spelled the name wrong because I didn't bother to look it up.

What you did was make a factual claim here:

"I've heard folks say he invented the Richter, but it was probably  
his brother Joseph."

Which you have since recanted claiming to have never actually  
believed what you wrote.  The difference in terms of honest and  
accurate study of history couldn't be greater.  Your actions have at  
least two explanations.  First, if your claim to have not believed in  
the Richter invention hypothesis is true, then you were making a  
false statement in the sentence I quoted above, perpetuating a myth  
which you know to be at best questionable in accuracy.  That is not  
something an historian should do, at least not without pointing out  
the mythical nature of the claim.  If, as I think is far more likely  
the case based on your actions in this thread (continually dismissing  
me for even deigning to point out the problems with this factual  
claim), you honestly believed that a Joseph Richter invented the form  
when you wrote that, then now that you see that this position is  
questionable at best you are lying to try and save face.  That is the  
exact opposite of what I did.  An historian who does that has no  
credibility whatsoever.

The difference between our actions in this matter really couldn't be  
more stark a contrast.

And for the now probably bored harp-l audience, these differences do  
matter.  They go to the heart of honesty in academic and intellectual  
studies.  If the history of the harmonica is important, than the  
practice of how it is presented and how it is studied is equally  
important.  And it must be done with the highest standards, nothing  
less.  That doesn't mean pedantically footnoting everything one  
writes on harp-l--this isn't a scholarly journal and those standards  
don't apply.  But rather, it means being willing to be challenged on  
statements and to deal with these on their face when they come up,  
either by giving sources, reasons for suppositions or the like.  
Perhaps most importantly, it means being able and willing to freely  
and easily admit to being wrong when one makes a mistake.

As for the stuff on nationalism and it's impact on the study of  
history,  I am simply shocked that you didn't deal with these issues  
in classes on historiography when in school. These aren't esoteric  
concepts at all.




  ()()    JR "Bulldogge" Ross
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