Re: [Harp-L] Re: Not all solid state amps are junk

[Howard Chandler <h_chandler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Rick Davis wrote:
> I'm not trying to start an argument; I am asking a question:  If the 
> tone comes purely from the player, what contribution did the "Green 
> Bullet with a HOT vintage
> CM" make?
>  
That's not what he said.  He said that he took that rig and MADE it 
work.  In that sense the tone came (as in originated) from the player.  
The tone produced was the product of that player's skillful use of body 
and mind, and whatever coloration the mic and amp and speaker 
contributed.  A nice rig an enhance what comes out but as the rig is 
only a conduit, the old computer science term GIGO (garpage in garbage 
out) still applies.  A great player will make a crappy rig sound great 
and not the other way around.  A nice rig can only make a good player 
sound better.  That's all.

Are you saying a fancy rig can make a hack sound like a pro?

> I know many Harp-Lers insist gear has no bearing on tone.  Splash 
> seemed to be making the same point.  Yet in the same paragraph he 
> touted the tonal characteristics of a certain microphone.
>  
Apologies to Splash if i misinterpret his intentions but I do not think 
he was trying to make a more general point as you are attempting to 
infer.  He was simply relating his experience and gently reminding us 
that despite the fact that his friend was using a non approved rig, it 
was the player after all who made it work.
> So which is it?  Does gear contribute to tone or not?
>  
> -Rick Davis
> The Blues Harp Amps Blog
> http://www.bluesharpamps.blogspot.com/
>
>
>  
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Howard Chandler 
> <h_chandler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:h_chandler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     Gawd
>
>     I know I'm going to regret hopping into this ages old argument but
>     I really don't see the purpose in extrapolating the man's words.
>     The point (as I read it) is that the dude took what he had and
>     MADE it work for him.  And who knows, he just might have been able
>     to make the Bandit and Blaster work for him too.  But since we
>     will not be able to test the straw man you are attempting to set
>     up....  Well what's the point.  Are you trying to start an
>     argument that can have no end?
>
>     Rick Davis wrote:
>
>         If "HE" has tone, why did he need a "Green Bullet with a HOT
>         vintage
>         CM?"  Your point seems to be that gear is irrelevant to tone...
>
>         If that is true, couldn't your friend get good tone with a
>         Peavey Bandit and
>         a cheap Blues Blaster?
>
>
>
>         On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Splash <celtiac@xxxxxxxxx
>         <mailto:celtiac@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>          
>
>             Amen, brother.
>
>             A friend of mine has a 15 watt Peavey SS amp which has a
>             drive control and
>             a
>             master volume.  (Might have been a $5 yard-sale find.)   I
>             made a '50's
>             Green Bullet with a HOT vintage CM for him and with that
>             combo he
>             absolutely
>             kills with tone.
>
>             Notice I said "HE" absolutely kills with tone.  He has tone.
>
>             I think that's an important distinction.
>
>             Splash
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             From: "Peter & Connie Ruth" <conruth@xxxxxxxxx
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>             To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>             Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:28 PM
>             Subject: [Harp-L] RE Rookie questions
>
>
>                
>
>                 Yo DD,
>
>                 Not all solid state amps are junk.
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